Case in Point...

See this earlier discussion of iconographic photography on the campaign trail.

Hillary Clinton and the Devil
First spotted at Wonkette

Here's the full picture:
Hillary Clinton and the Devil

Comments

"Vote Clinton Because a Deaf God Ignores Our Pleas"

To build on our previous discussion, I think this is an interesting twist on my pietas reading of Clinton from our (ok, my) discussion of holy mothers. Recently, more and more analysts/critics/possibly hostile members of press have been translating Clinton's rhetoric of suffering (being "vetted" by Republicans, being persecuted by the press) as an overarching and off-putting cynicism. The "ugh" that Gawker produces is the result of Clinton trying to be funny about these complaints, and so I think this is an interesting connection to the photograph you posted, as it is her smile that eerily reflects the background, while Michelle Obama's canonization is effective because of her serious expression and posture (I'm going to post about the new Newsweek that exploits this strangely effective posture).
But, back to the gendered pigeonhole of my previous rant - Gawker (yes, I do only get my news from snarky blogs) argues that, for Clinton, "the greatest trick the Devil ever played was convincing the world he doesn't bake."

Sarcastic women

Well, as Christopher Hitchens famously wrote last winter, "Women aren't Funny." Mystery solved!

As a fan of Tina Fey, however, I'd strongly disagree with Hitchens. (Link is to Fey's recent "Bitch is the new black" segment on SNL--although judging from the comments there, plenty of people didn't find that very funny, either.)

But, on the serious, both the Hitchens column and the response to Hillary's sarcasm seem (to sound like a broken record) gendered to me. This is the Hillary-as-a-scold meme, and it is obviously not a new tactic to neutralize a woman's critical speech by casting her as a nag or worse (in Fey's word, a "bitch.") This problem was recently re-examined in discussions of the movie Knocked Up, in which the men are permitted to have fun and do crazy stuff, while the women are portrayed as worried, anxiety-ridden, serious-minded scolds. This is what prompted Katherine Heigl to describe that movie as "a little sexist."

Now, I want to add that the truth in the Gawker post is in the political dimension: sarcasm is, politically, precisely the wrong rhetorical tool to be lobbing at Obama. It is not the savviest possible move. But it seems to me that in our world, no woman could get away with this kind of cutting humor. Women's speech is policed in ways men's speech is not, and I think this is one of those ways.

In other words, I agree with the Gawker poster that her sense of humor simply isn't effective in deflating the Obama-hype, even as I think that hype needs a bit of deflating. Republicans, as we've already started to see, will have no qualms about puncturing the mystique. But I see no solution for Hillary: if she takes things seriously, she's seen as a bitch; if she tries to take them lightheartedly, she's seen a sarcastic shit-thrower, i.e., still a bitch (as portrayed in Stewart's comment).

(Incidentally, my comments make the move that you scrutinize in your earlier posts: I cast Hillary as the victim. I do this unapologetically: she is a victim of forces beyond her control, some of which are unfair and many of which stem from gender bias. I don't think this is a reason to vote for her, and I don't even think it's a sufficient explanation for why she isn't doing better in the primary. I'm just saying.)

Gender bias between women

I think what I'm trying to get at in my post is that this CAN'T be reduced to a simple gendering of the problem because Obama seems to be lauded for her "edgy" ways. Although most writers will note the dangers of people "not getting it" - they seem to frame Obama's sarcasm as a positive aspect - 'hey, she's not a smiling drone with no thought going on in that pretty head!' Plus, they are both using their "hard nose realism" to counteract Obama's aura.

So, both are admittedly women, and one can argue pretty easily that Obama is in the more feminine role, why the two different reactions? As the Gawker article points out, there seems to be two different sarcasms going on here.

By the way, I don't think we can draw the line firmly here between victim and perpetrator. While Clinton might be subject to certain forms of discrimination, it is hard to say that all that she claims to suffer from is out of her control. I think the candidate's rhetorical approach in fact shapes the reaction of the media, the public, and other members of government to him/her. (Hence Gawker reaction.) An interesting yet lengthy New Yorker article takes on this topic when looking at the way each candidate imagines the presidency:

When I described to Greg Craig the Clinton campaign’s skepticism toward the idea of transcending partisanship, he said, “You’re getting to that five per cent of Hillary that I don’t like—which is to see in every corner a conspiracy or an opponent that must be crushed. Look at her comment ‘Now the fun part starts’ ”—Clinton’s announcement in Iowa that she would begin attacking Obama’s record. “There is a quality of playing the embattled, beleaguered victim that I find unappealing and depressing.” He added, “I want a President who is looking to move the country with positive inspirational ideas rather than to fight off the bad guys and proclaim victory by defeating the forces of reaction. I would like us to inspire the forces of reaction to join us in treating people better, and lifting more vulnerable people and people in jeopardy out of their vulnerability and jeopardy.”"

"Different Sarcasms"?

I don't think there are "different sarcasms"--as I point out in my comment on your other post (this is getting confusing!) I think the difference lies in what aim the sarcasm seems to serve. Michelle Obama's is safe because it is seen as serving her husband's aims; Clinton's is not because it is seen as serving her own aims, aims that are unsuitable for a woman to pursue. Certainly, you can argue that mine is a "simple gendering" of the problem, but, I stand by it.

And I agree with your second point, about the line between victim and perpetrator. That's why I pointed out that I don't think gender bias is sufficient as an explanation for why Hillary is losing: there are plenty of other reasons too, including a lack of political acumen on her part. And certainly, I never suggested that she is not also falling prey to forces that are well within her control. In other words, I think that even if gender bias played no part whatsoever in the process, she still wouldn't necessarily be winning.

It does seem to me, however, that there is a real desire (somewhat on your part, Jillian, and even more greatly on the part of many others) to downplay the significance of gender bias in this campaign, as if it's an irrelevant concern. In my humble opinion, this response is both wrong and egregious--egregious insofar as "postfeminism" is maybe the worst thing to happen to feminism since Betty Friedan tried to kick all the lesbians out of NOW.

Ooh, careful there. I think

Ooh, careful there. I think what I am trying to do is meet the oversimplified charge that every criticism of the Clinton campaign can be reduced to gender. Certainly we would not accept that every criticism of Obama's campaign is at heart racist, but there seems to be something too essential about gender when it comes to Hillary for you. I see this as problematic if nothing else for the reason that Hillary has tried to consciously distance herself from gender politics, has tried to remove herself from feminine identifications (it has been argued by Josh Gunn among others that Hillary does not in fact identify - to others, to herself - as a woman). When I bring up the complications - the challenges to pigeonholing women as one group, disregarding age, race (yes, and even sexuality as you point out) we run a great risk of rhetorically replacing gender as fundamental to and reducible to identity politics.
The truth is things are much more complicated than this, and I think reducing the race to gender-bias and assuming all women face equal and the same discrimination and that this is the egregious move. I think this particularized knowledge is one of the great accomplishments of third wave and third world feminism. To imply that this is a "postfeminism" is insulting.

Reduced to gender bias?

In my whiniest voice: but I'm *not* suggesting that "every criticism of the Clinton campaign can be reduced to gender," or trying to "reduc[e] the race to gender bias." That's not what I'm doing at all, and to suggest otherwise is a little unfair. That's why I repeatedly point out that gender is not sufficient as an explanation for her failure to capture the nomination; I cannot emphasize enough that I think there are other things working against her, not the least of which are her own failures and shortcomings as a candidate. She takes too much money from lobbyists; she hedges about her tax returns and releasing her records as first lady; she runs from or embraces her husband's administration according to the political expediency of the moment. In my mind, those are not gendered criticisms; those are legitimate problems and areas of concern, and she is paying a price for them.

And to me there seems to be some tension in your argument: you take issue with my declarations that gender bias plays a significant role in the response to her campaign, but in this comment you seem to castigate her for "distanc[ing] herself from gender politics" and "remov[ing] herself from feminine identifications" (and what does that mean, and how is it not an essentialization of the so-called "feminine"?)--both points, incidentally, with which I disagree. Are gender politics important, or not? Are you arguing that the discussion of gender needs to be more nuanced and less "essential," or are you suggesting that she's a bad feminist who is "not identify[ing]...as a woman" and she therefore hasn't earned the benefit of precisely the discussion we're having? Certainly, she has distanced herself from certain versions of second-wave feminism that are floating around out there. But she has had to make calculated, political, and, yes, unattractive decisions about what role gender can play in the first serious campaign by a woman to be the president. (And her vote for the Iraq war probably falls into this category; and it will, fairly in my opinion, be remembered as the great tragedy and miscalculation of her candidacy.) And in my opinion--essentializing and "insulting" as it may be--unfair forms of generalized, free-floating gender bias have necessitated some of those decisions. (And for what it's worth, I think there is also a conversation to be had about the role of racism in both the response to Obama's campaign as well as the calculations he has had to make about how much the first serious black contender for the presidency can talk about race, as well as what he can say about racism in this country.)

Finally, as you have pointed out before, this is a blog about visual rhetoric and representation. I'm sure my argument is sometimes reductive (and if for that reason it is insulting to the real, lived experiences of women, then I sincerely apologize. In my mind there is a difference between third wave/third world feminism and "postfeminism," by which term I mean the tenuous argument that gender bias is no longer a political problem in our society and culture). But I do think there is something essential about gender: not necessarily essential in terms of identity politics, but essential in terms of the response to Clinton's candidacy. It may not be the overarching issue or number one problem, but in my mind there is no question that it is there and that it is powerful. This conversation began as a discussion of the way visual images frame and interpret the candidates in this campaign. And when I say "frame" I mean that they serve to locate women within a particular and familiar framework: figure of grace or figure of suffering. There is a way in which this is about gender and hermeneutics, a hermeneutics that may be determined by the choices made by the photographer. And one of the issues that shapes those choices is gender bias. So, yes, you can preface every comment I make with the caveat, "roughly speaking." But in fairness, I do think that I'm looking at the specific manifestations of gender bias faced by and in the experience of this woman: I may certainly be wrong, but I think I am paying attention to a "particularized knowledge" of gender bias as it is faced by Hillary.

So I also have to ask: what did I write that made you think I was "assuming all women face equal and the same discrimination"?

I only have time for two

I only have time for two brief points right now:
First: I think there is some (intentional?) mis/non-readings of my post(s) going on here. I never say this is what you are doing, I say this is what I'm trying to work against in my posts. ("I think what I am trying to do is meet the oversimplified charge that every criticism of the Clinton campaign can be reduced to gender.")
Second: If we aren't talking about mothers, then yes, I think that Clinton has avoided gender(ed) politics in the same way that Obama is charged with avoiding race. I think there is a lot taken for granted in both campaigns that avoid any sort of address of specific issues. On these points, the candidates seem to rely on somatic identification. Of course this manifests in the controversial overlap - remember the heat Oprah got for 'choosing her race over her gender' - as if the two were separate and not bimodal.

Sorry; that's a fair point.

Sorry; that's a fair point. I did assume you were addressing me directly (you write "for you" at one point, and your comment about postfeminism made me think you were responding particularly to me).

It must also be said that I was the first one to make this discussion about you as opposed to the argument "out there." I hope that was not an unfair move to make. (This goes back to that thing where I start to worry about sounding defensive...)

And the Times is tackling this story at the same time we are: here and here.

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